. >> joining me now, nbc news senior political editor mark murray. mark, you and your team wrote about senator rubio's role in whatever negotiations that move forward but you also talk about the strategy of not appearing to give the president a win on any issue, including, of course, immigration reform. >> it's a balancing act. one thing that marco rubio is trying to do is sell republicans and commentators that amnesty, what comprehensive immigration reform is not amnesty. he is making that case this a legalization with tough fines, with tough penalties isn't the same thing as you end up seeing in 1986. of course, conservative commentators for several years said anything amounting to legalization is amnesty. at the same time, you have seen his staff, some of his comments, kind of either poke at the white house, either criticize the white house, too, coming to comprehensive immigration reform and it is a delegate balancing act. one hand it seems they want this and can't be seen as in bed with the obama white house either. that's a very difficult place